[tor-talk] Porn make the world more free: Tor Porn Bundle?

[fakefake at tormail.org]

Good answer. Gotta ask one more.

> On 10/21/12 10:14 AM, fakefake at tormail.org wrote:
>> You dare to speak about the topic with your name attached. Respect man.
>> Blatantly spoken, blatantly answered.
>>
>> This a nice idea. I got few questions for you.
>>
>> How could porn banned people send money to porn industry when they cant
>> even reach porn websites without circumvention tool? Dont tell me about
>> btc. If they are too stupid to know about tor know how can they learn to
>> use btc anonymously.
> First, the porn content is not only "paid" but also free.
>
> Regarding the paid content, i do think that normal credit card / paypal
> are enough.
>
> If you, as a user, worry about your financial privacy, you would always
> be able to use intermediaries (liberty reserve, western union, okpay,
> ccbill and tons of others) that provide you virtual wallet (loaded with
> your credit card) and let you pay with a virtual credit card (or even
> get a paypal account).
>
> So there are a lot of ways to avoid getting written on your credit card
> statement "PAYPAL*YOUPORN" .

Sure I can do. Its not about me.

Can your group of 12 to 18 years old in those countries?

> A user maybe informed about that methods, to let him enjoy paid access
> with credit-card-statement privacy (not anonymity, just privacy).
>
>>
>> How does the circumvention stuff make a better world? People are to
>> coward
>> to kick their government ass for their porn rights. Result they can
>> simply
>> not wank off so easily. Whats the big deal?
> The result is indirect.
> I do not think anyone will start fighting for "porn rights" .
>
> But *a lot of people* (especially man/teenagers) will start using
> circumvention tools for a reason they care (Masturbate), that is widely
> diffused.
>
> So, the target can be to spread the use of the circumvention tools,
> knowledge on how to use it and existance for a massively diffused need
> that is not "freedom of speech" but is "access porn to masturbate" .
>
> Then, as a "apparent side-effect", you have empowered a huge amount of
> people to access unfiltered internet.
>
> If the hypothetical "Tor Porn Bundle" would also provide access to
> information sources (political, civil rights, media) otherwise banned in
> their countries, we made the deal.
>
> Trough porn we let hundreds thousands of people access uncensored
> information sources.
>>
>> How can satisfying their wanking needs help them fighting for porn
>> rights?
>> Let them suffer. Let them fight. Do not ease the suffering.
> As explained above i would not target "porn rights", but just the
> masturbation needs.
>
> In that hypothesis the "civil rights" of freedom of speech are acquired
> indirectly, the main reason a user would use such a tool would still be
> for porn.
>
> Fabio
>
> p.s. Circumvention tools like Ultrasurf (Government's backed by BBG)
> block porn. Ultrasurf users ask on the internet how to watch porn with
> ultrasurf bypassing their blocks. So users using circumvention tool ask
> how to see porn that is blocked by the government they live in and by
> the circumvention tool provider:
>    * http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110831001937AAVtFhL
>    * http://www.pinoyden.com.ph/index.php?topic=106051.0
>
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