[tor-talk] webmail send while using TOR is tagged as spamends up in spam

Mon Jul 25 14:17:31 UTC 2016

I can say that i get all emails in my main inbox :)

Friet Pan <frietpan at ymail.com> skrev: (25 juli 2016 16:03:10 CEST)
>Yes i also have a riseup account that i use on other mailing lists now,
>but i signed up here with the yahoo account for this reason, to see how
>serious it is, and to raise some awareness if needed
>
>
>I wonder how many people on the TOR mailing list receive my post in the
>spam box. or a percentage
>
>I try to post all messages o this subject without going trough tor.
>From Yahoo, with an account that sometimes uses TOR.
>
>And from the looks of it many people on this list get my original post
>in the spambox. and maybe this post as well.
>
>
>I'm pissed, i try to stay focussed and to stay to the point. that not
>easy... i can snap before i know it.
>
>But i try my best to avoid a F*CH_SH*T_STACK on this list.
>https://vimeo.com/13897452oops slip o't'tongue
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: Flipchan <flipchan at riseup.net>
>To: tor-talk at lists.torproject.org
>Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 2:44 PM
>Subject: Re: [tor-talk] webmail send while using TOR is tagged as
>spamends	up in spam
>
>Have u tried switching email provider? I had alot of problem with gmail
>but i switched
>
>Friet Pan <frietpan at ymail.com> skrev: (25 juli 2016 14:37:00 CEST)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: "me at beroal.in.ua" <me at beroal.in.ua>
>>To: tor-talk at lists.torproject.org
>>Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 11:42 AM
>>Subject: Re: [tor-talk] webmail send while using TOR is tagged as
>>spamends up in spam
>>
>>Hello.
>>
>>On 19.07.16 08:13, Friet Pan wrote:
>>> i use yahoo to mail with mailinglists but i use TOR to connect to
>>yahoo.
>>>
>>> tuns out that all my posts now end up in everyones spam folders.
>>>
>>> Is this because the tor exitnodes are used by spammers?
>>>
>>> or is every mail that was send from a TOR user falsely marked as
>>spam?
>>>
>>> also the subscription confirmation email i received from this list
>>ended up in yahoo's spam.
>>I see that roughly 10% of messages from tor-talk at lists.torproject.org 
>>from different people go into Gmail's spam folder. If you send a
>>message 
>>via Yahoo's webmail, the message is sent from Yahoo's server, not from
>
>>Tor. So it's not likely that using Tor is relevant in your case.
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>>Yahoo detects that i come from a tor exit node (known tor exit node,
>or
>>known exit node that once was used to send spam perhaps??)
>>
>>
>>Anyway Yahoo then rates me as 'unauthenticated user' and adds a
>>metatag? ot someting that google recognizes as 'unauthenticated'
>>whatever that means...
>>
>>And then in googles terms my mail is 'spam' in googles eyes.
>>
>>That's WRONG. Since i send a normal mail to a normal mailing list. 
>>
>>Now i cannot sue Google.. But Torproject is harmed by google, and
>>yahoo, AOL, and the rest of the cartel. And all TOR users are
>affected.
>> the cartel damages our privacy.
>>
>>If the torproject cab sue the crap out of them and then use the money
>>that comes out of that to improve TOR and our privacy. Then PLEASE
>DO!!
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> So now i also wonder how many people on this list are not receiving
>>THIS message.
>>This message has not gone into the spam folder.
>>
>>
>>
>>Since i did NOT sent THIS message trough TOR to make sure that it had
>a
>>chance to come tough (at the expense of MY privacy)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> Can i sue yahoo for falsely tagging my mails as spam?  or better can
>>TOR sue Yahoo? :-D and win and get a lot of money to put into
>>development?
>>>
>>> please have a look at dmarc.org it tries to explain in lawyer-ish
>>speak how the yahoo, gmail, facebook aol, paypal, ebay, amazon cartel
>>teamed together to force people to 'autenticate'
>>>
>>> authenticate as in ...get a code that they can use to invade our
>>privacy. (or is this my brain going into paranoia mode?)
>>No spam filter is perfect. My advice: do something useful, dude,
>>instead 
>>of suing people providing you a service for free.
>>
>>
>>
>>I know a way to block spam that is nearly perfect, though i'm not a
>>developer, and don't have the skills to DIY it.  I want to share this
>>idea, and discuss the details. But first i need to see that someone
>>grasps the concept.
>>
>>
>>> can this be fixed?
>>>
>>> Or do we need a new email protocol that respects privacy by default,
>
>>decentralized, with whitelist and request to communicate and
>eventually
>>a blacklist to be able to block extreme cases.
>>Privacy is a broad term. I guess privacy means anonymity here. Then
>>your 
>>anonymity conflicts with my desire to throw away spam. How can I know 
>>whether a message is a spam without reading it? One method is when an 
>>algorithm reads the message. This method is employed in many mail 
>>services. It is not perfect, as you see. Another method is when I read
>
>>only messages digitally signed and from people which I trust. This 
>>method is more powerful than the previous and requires senders to
>>reveal 
>>their identity. You see now?
>>
>>I *intentionally* use Gmail spam filter despite being able not to use 
>>it. Because 95% of messages in the spam folder are real spam. Because 
>>few people sign digitally their messages.
>>
>>
>>
>>Googles spamfilter SUCKS it does allow spam to arrive in your mailbox.
>>My idea does NOT allow spammers to even contact you, maybe one time...
>
>>but after that you can block them for life...
>>
>>So spam doe not NEED a spambox when it doe not arrive,
>>So phishing does not arrive (and know that your mailbox exists, simply
>>because the spam did NOT bounce)
>>So this is enough to keep your email addres on a spammers address
>list?
>>
>>
>>but this is only one part of the idea.  But it is the most essential
>>part..
>>
>>
>>> is it enough to move away from yahoo, or will the same stuff happen
>>when using another email provider?
>>At least, a mail service of a paid web hoster allows you to turn off 
>>
>>spam filtering.
>>
>>
>>
>>But then it still allows spammers to send you spam on that address.
>:-)
>>
>>
>>
>>catch 22222222 and a half.  I'm looking for a real solution that
>solves
>>the CAUSE of the problem instead of 'pharmaceutical' medicating the
>>effect, and keeping the cause where it is. (only to sell more crap to
>>pamper the effect, and give you cancer on top of it that needs even
>>more pharma shit)
>>
>>
>>Is that a good way to describe it?
>>
>>
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