[tor-talk] webmail send while using TOR is tagged as spamends up in spam

[Friet Pan]

Yes i also have a riseup account that i use on other mailing lists now, but i signed up here with the yahoo account for this reason, to see how serious it is, and to raise some awareness if needed


I wonder how many people on the TOR mailing list receive my post in the spam box. or a percentage

I try to post all messages o this subject without going trough tor.
>From Yahoo, with an account that sometimes uses TOR.

And from the looks of it many people on this list get my original post in the spambox. and maybe this post as well.


I'm pissed, i try to stay focussed and to stay to the point. that not easy... i can snap before i know it.

But i try my best to avoid a F*CH_SH*T_STACK on this list.
https://vimeo.com/13897452oops slip o't'tongue





----- Original Message -----
From: Flipchan <flipchan at riseup.net>
To: tor-talk at lists.torproject.org
Sent: Monday, July 25, 2016 2:44 PM
Subject: Re: [tor-talk] webmail send while using TOR is tagged as spamends	up in spam

Have u tried switching email provider? I had alot of problem with gmail but i switched

Friet Pan <frietpan at ymail.com> skrev: (25 juli 2016 14:37:00 CEST)
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>----- Original Message -----
>From: "me at beroal.in.ua" <me at beroal.in.ua>
>To: tor-talk at lists.torproject.org
>Sent: Tuesday, July 19, 2016 11:42 AM
>Subject: Re: [tor-talk] webmail send while using TOR is tagged as
>spamends up in spam
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>Hello.
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>On 19.07.16 08:13, Friet Pan wrote:
>> i use yahoo to mail with mailinglists but i use TOR to connect to
>yahoo.
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>> tuns out that all my posts now end up in everyones spam folders.
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>> Is this because the tor exitnodes are used by spammers?
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>> or is every mail that was send from a TOR user falsely marked as
>spam?
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>> also the subscription confirmation email i received from this list
>ended up in yahoo's spam.
>I see that roughly 10% of messages from tor-talk at lists.torproject.org 
>from different people go into Gmail's spam folder. If you send a
>message 
>via Yahoo's webmail, the message is sent from Yahoo's server, not from 
>Tor. So it's not likely that using Tor is relevant in your case.
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>Yahoo detects that i come from a tor exit node (known tor exit node, or
>known exit node that once was used to send spam perhaps??)
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>Anyway Yahoo then rates me as 'unauthenticated user' and adds a
>metatag? ot someting that google recognizes as 'unauthenticated'
>whatever that means...
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>And then in googles terms my mail is 'spam' in googles eyes.
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>That's WRONG. Since i send a normal mail to a normal mailing list. 
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>Now i cannot sue Google.. But Torproject is harmed by google, and
>yahoo, AOL, and the rest of the cartel. And all TOR users are affected.
> the cartel damages our privacy.
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>If the torproject cab sue the crap out of them and then use the money
>that comes out of that to improve TOR and our privacy. Then PLEASE DO!!
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>> So now i also wonder how many people on this list are not receiving
>THIS message.
>This message has not gone into the spam folder.
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>Since i did NOT sent THIS message trough TOR to make sure that it had a
>chance to come tough (at the expense of MY privacy)
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>> Can i sue yahoo for falsely tagging my mails as spam?  or better can
>TOR sue Yahoo? :-D and win and get a lot of money to put into
>development?
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>> please have a look at dmarc.org it tries to explain in lawyer-ish
>speak how the yahoo, gmail, facebook aol, paypal, ebay, amazon cartel
>teamed together to force people to 'autenticate'
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>> authenticate as in ...get a code that they can use to invade our
>privacy. (or is this my brain going into paranoia mode?)
>No spam filter is perfect. My advice: do something useful, dude,
>instead 
>of suing people providing you a service for free.
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>I know a way to block spam that is nearly perfect, though i'm not a
>developer, and don't have the skills to DIY it.  I want to share this
>idea, and discuss the details. But first i need to see that someone
>grasps the concept.
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>> can this be fixed?
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>> Or do we need a new email protocol that respects privacy by default, 
>decentralized, with whitelist and request to communicate and eventually
>a blacklist to be able to block extreme cases.
>Privacy is a broad term. I guess privacy means anonymity here. Then
>your 
>anonymity conflicts with my desire to throw away spam. How can I know 
>whether a message is a spam without reading it? One method is when an 
>algorithm reads the message. This method is employed in many mail 
>services. It is not perfect, as you see. Another method is when I read 
>only messages digitally signed and from people which I trust. This 
>method is more powerful than the previous and requires senders to
>reveal 
>their identity. You see now?
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>I *intentionally* use Gmail spam filter despite being able not to use 
>it. Because 95% of messages in the spam folder are real spam. Because 
>few people sign digitally their messages.
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>Googles spamfilter SUCKS it does allow spam to arrive in your mailbox.
>My idea does NOT allow spammers to even contact you, maybe one time... 
>but after that you can block them for life...
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>So spam doe not NEED a spambox when it doe not arrive,
>So phishing does not arrive (and know that your mailbox exists, simply
>because the spam did NOT bounce)
>So this is enough to keep your email addres on a spammers address list?
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>but this is only one part of the idea.  But it is the most essential
>part..
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>> is it enough to move away from yahoo, or will the same stuff happen
>when using another email provider?
>At least, a mail service of a paid web hoster allows you to turn off 
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>spam filtering.
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>But then it still allows spammers to send you spam on that address. :-)
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>catch 22222222 and a half.  I'm looking for a real solution that solves
>the CAUSE of the problem instead of 'pharmaceutical' medicating the
>effect, and keeping the cause where it is. (only to sell more crap to
>pamper the effect, and give you cancer on top of it that needs even
>more pharma shit)
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>Is that a good way to describe it?
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