[tor-project] Localized mailing lists

[Arthur D. Edelstein]

I'd like to suggest, in addition to creating one or more new localized
lists, we could explicitly state somewhere prominent* that posts to
our main mailing lists in *any* language are very welcome. No one
should hesitate to post in their preferred language.

* Such as https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo

On Mon, Apr 9, 2018 at 9:36 PM,  <ilv at torproject.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
>> There's a few questions embedded in this proposal.
>>
>> First, we have to differentiate between language- and region-based
>> lists, with regions being defined by geography and language.
>>
>> As someone who has spawned more dead-on-arrival lists than most, I'm
>> apprehensive about two things:
>>
>> 1. creating lists for a perceived gap which ultimately die
>>
>> 2. creating lists that siphon off discussion from existing lists
>>
>> In terms of languages, I don't know enough about the critical mass, but
>> I would assume there is more than enough of a base for an ES list, at
>> the very minimum. And PT_BR is obviously another solid option.
>>
>> The problems become a proliferation of lists that someone, say, who is
>> an ES speaker *should* sub to. Now it's @global-south, plus the ES list,
>> but then what about the regional question.
>>
>
> I would prefer to open more spaces than to think what they *should* do.
>
>> Then the regional lists which should also be set with the respective
>> language. But the regional list would likely be less of a Tor usage
>> discussion than an organizing list, I'd guess.
>>
>> Language lists are primarily meant to provide a channel for non-English
>> speakers, to state the obvious.
>>
>> I'm thinking very much out loud here. I worry about a proliferation of
>> lists which take away from the main channels for discussion.
>>
>
> The idea is to open space for discussions that are not currently happening
> the main channels, such as other mailing lists or IRC channels.
>
>> I'm supportive of creating new language and/or regional lists, the
>> relevant people from those groups need to consider the utility in terms
>> of audience and purpose.  Think technical discussion versus organizing.
>> If there's an ES list, it should likely be software-focused, since it's
>> the language issue that's being approached. It can assist ES-speakers in
>> LATAM, EU and beyond. But a regional list (which should be designated
>> with the respective language) is more likely an organizing tool.
>>
>> An ES list that goes into the organizing specifics of a local event in
>> LATAM will only make ES speakers not from the region yawn.
>>
>> Sorry if I seem to be dancing around the issue here. I think
>> articulating "for whom" and "about what" for a list is vital. Dead lists
>> help no one, and lists that just put more on the plate of a few Tor
>> people need to be avoided.
>>
>> Maybe it makes sense to start with an ES list and see how it goes?
>>
>
> Yes, thanks for all the feedback. I think we could perfectly use a localized
> list as a support, discussion and organizing tool. But we really don't know
> if we don't try, so let's see how it goes :)
>
>> Mailing lists are often chicken-and-egg problems... if you don't have
>> the list, you don't recognize there's an audience.
>>
>> >>
>> >> On 04/06/2018 07:10 AM, Vasilis wrote:
>> >>> Since the global-south name is horrible and we have never gone into
>> >>> the process of changing I guess it will make sense to rename the
>> >>> list (and the IRC channe) and then announce it to the world as the
>> >>> LATAM Tor mailing list?
>> >> I agree that the name "global-south" is suboptimal, but we've had
>> >> multiple conversations about this (I think you've been there for at
>> >> least a couple of them), most recently discussions in Rome, where the
>> >> rough consensus was that the name is problematic but less problematic
>> >> than other choices and there isn't a better option that's widely
>> >> recognized. So it's not exactly true that no one has gone into the
>> >> process of changing it...it's been discussed in every meeting I've
>> >> been in related to global south initiatives.
>>
>>
>> Am I incorrect to think that @global-south list is really LATAM anyways?
>>
>> We should probably move towards a LATAM list to replace @global-south.
>> It *seems* to be what the list is in practice.  And maybe sticking to
>> some combination of language- and region-specific lists is the right
>> direction.
>>
>> g
>>
>>
>
> Saludos.
> --i
>
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