[tor-talk] Tor is anti-censorship software

[Chris Dagdigian]

Seriously?  I spent some time trying to parse Juan's various messages 
yesterday to try to understand his point of view ... if you remove all 
of the insults and snide remarks the only concrete position I could 
discern was that he was legit upset over the marketing/PR approach of 
the Tor project. He wants the Tor project to do better messaging to make 
it clear that Tor can't protect anyone who may be facing an adversary 
with nation-state levels of technical resources. He feels strongly that 
the project should not advertise or promise "anonymity" given that it's 
pretty clear now that someone with significant resources and technical 
assets can de-cloak individual Tor users who catch their attention.

I actually sort of agree with that argument but sadly it was lost amidst 
a deluge of venomous words - the same sort of aggressive "you are all 
just useful idiots of the DOD/NSA" word salad stuff that causes people 
to hit the delete key right away. And 100% a contribution to worsening 
signal-to-noise ratio on this list.

Beyond suggesting that the project do better PR/Marketing about the real 
levels of privacy/anonymity offered I can't think of any other useful 
point raised. Everything else was just a rehash of what you hear from 
people who think the projects origin, backers and developers make it 
unsuitable for use by anyone at any time. Not new and not interesting at 
all.

My $.02 of course

Spencer wrote:
>
> Juan's comments, in particular, have been most valuable in pointing 
> out the network's shortcomings in this area.