[tor-talk] CULT OF THE DEAD COW Statement on Jacob Appelbaum / ioerror

[malte at wk3.org]

Quoting carlo von lynX (2016-06-08 08:28:23)
> The problem is, if the victims have committed crimes themselves
> by making their stories public, then going before a judge may
> backfire on them. Not just fake victims, also real victims.
> They may get prosecuted for defamation on top of having suffered
> a crime. We know that the justice system may not be able to
> punish even a true offender if no legal proof can be produced.
> So if you want victims to feel safe to talk to the authorities,
> you must keep them from committing a counter-crime.

???

> That's why I am in favor of pre-emptive management of social
> issues (aka "vibes watching") and a more fine-grained justice
> system internal to the hacktivist movement. A court made of
> people we trust that victims can turn to safely, without 
> engaging in further crimes, yet enabling that court to take 
> measures to protect future people from becoming victims.

You mean like "Someone is abrasive on mailing lists all. the. time. 
Let's talk to them about it in private, oh they are still abrasive,
let's talk to them in private, oh, now they are writing weirdly
misogynistic things, let's not let that stand unchallenged, suddenly
they are implicitly threatening you with physical violence.", that
kind of thing?

Where would you go, and what would you do, if you felt physically
threatened by someone, and that same person would be discussing
how to design systems to deal with such situations?