[tor-talk] webmail send while using TOR is tagged as spamends up in spam

[me at beroal.in.ua]

Hello.

On 19.07.16 08:13, Friet Pan wrote:
> i use yahoo to mail with mailinglists but i use TOR to connect to yahoo.
>
> tuns out that all my posts now end up in everyones spam folders.
>
> Is this because the tor exitnodes are used by spammers?
>
> or is every mail that was send from a TOR user falsely marked as spam?
>
> also the subscription confirmation email i received from this list ended up in yahoo's spam.
I see that roughly 10% of messages from tor-talk at lists.torproject.org 
from different people go into Gmail's spam folder. If you send a message 
via Yahoo's webmail, the message is sent from Yahoo's server, not from 
Tor. So it's not likely that using Tor is relevant in your case.

> So now i also wonder how many people on this list are not receiving THIS message.
This message has not gone into the spam folder.

> Can i sue yahoo for falsely tagging my mails as spam?  or better can TOR sue Yahoo? :-D and win and get a lot of money to put into development?
>
> please have a look at dmarc.org it tries to explain in lawyer-ish speak how the yahoo, gmail, facebook aol, paypal, ebay, amazon cartel teamed together to force people to 'autenticate'
>
> authenticate as in ...get a code that they can use to invade our privacy. (or is this my brain going into paranoia mode?)
No spam filter is perfect. My advice: do something useful, dude, instead 
of suing people providing you a service for free.

> can this be fixed?
>
> Or do we need a new email protocol that respects privacy by default,  decentralized, with whitelist and request to communicate and eventually a blacklist to be able to block extreme cases.
Privacy is a broad term. I guess privacy means anonymity here. Then your 
anonymity conflicts with my desire to throw away spam. How can I know 
whether a message is a spam without reading it? One method is when an 
algorithm reads the message. This method is employed in many mail 
services. It is not perfect, as you see. Another method is when I read 
only messages digitally signed and from people which I trust. This 
method is more powerful than the previous and requires senders to reveal 
their identity. You see now?

I *intentionally* use Gmail spam filter despite being able not to use 
it. Because 95% of messages in the spam folder are real spam. Because 
few people sign digitally their messages.

> is it enough to move away from yahoo, or will the same stuff happen when using another email provider?
At least, a mail service of a paid web hoster allows you to turn off 
spam filtering.