[tor-talk] tor-talk Digest, Vol 65, Issue 17

Sat Jul 2 16:11:01 UTC 2016

Fuck you
On Jun 5, 2016 18:44, <tor-talk-request at lists.torproject.org> wrote:

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>    1. Re: Any updates from Tor Project on ioerror?
>       (notfriendly at riseup.net)
>    2. Re: Any updates from Tor Project on ioerror? (Mirimir)
>    3. Re: Any updates from Tor Project on ioerror?
>       (notfriendly at riseup.net)
>    4. Has anyone HEARD from IOError since his last tweet?
>       (Anthony Papillion)
>    5. Re: Any updates on hardening a Debian VPS? (I)
>    6. Re: Any updates on hardening a Debian VPS?
>       (notfriendly at riseup.net)
>    7. Re: Has anyone HEARD from IOError since his last tweet?
>       (notfriendly at riseup.net)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 18:16:42 -0400
> From: notfriendly at riseup.net
> To: tor-talk at lists.torproject.org
> Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Any updates from Tor Project on ioerror?
> Message-ID: <790c04884c9c8d9fc54f9ea1a0817aab at riseup.net>
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> On 2016-06-05 18:13, df. wrote:
> > Nice speech, it looks like you put some time and effort in to it but
> > it would make a lot more sense to make a case against someone by
> > presenting factual evidence against that person and not trying to make
> > absurd comparisons on a mailing list between two things that have
> > almost nothing in common.
> >
> > Jacob Appelbaum has the ability to accept or deny these allegations,
> > if he denies them then a court can find him guilty (and give him an
> > adequate punishment) or the can find him innocent but all of this is
> > based on evidence. Really do not think your long winded speeches and
> > obvious hatred for this is proving anything.
> >
> > Anyway I respect your opinion no matter how funny and absurd I find it
> > be.
> >
> > Can we not just move on to other topics? This guy is not even with the
> > Tor project anymore.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > jacob appelbaum (ioerror) questions:
> >> http://ethi.cx/forty.html
> >>
> >> For Forty Years...
> >>
> >> Joe Paterno ? praised college football coach and idol to hundreds
> >> of thousands of people ? continued in silence, allowing Jerry
> >> Sandusky to nurture a mechanism that leveraged the Penn State
> >> football program to prey on his victims, which totals 32 at the
> >> time of writing. Forty years, Paterno continued the conspiracy of
> >> silence until his dying days, disgraced in the eyes of the sane and
> >> a mistreated God to the idol worshipers, sycophants and zealots.
> >> They rioted in the streets, refused to listen to evidence, as more
> >> and more piled in daily. They screamed and cursed the victims,
> >> media and anyone calling Paterno an enabler.
> >>
> >> In 2012 the famed Statue of Joe Paterno was taken down. After years
> >> of fighting, Penn State football fans took it into their own hands
> >> and made two replica statues: one to give to the Paterno family,
> >> the other to take to Penn State football games. One of the fans who
> >> constructed the statues commented, ?We are creators. We are not in
> >> politics. We are not cops?this is who we are.?
> >>
> >> This kind of idol worship is terrifying, but very real.
> >>
> >> The comparison to the Jerry Sandusky scandal and Jacob Appelbaum's
> >> may be wild to some people, considering the formers grandiosity,
> >> however the similarities are astounding. The predatory behavior
> >> exemplified by both men is that of asserting themselves into places
> >> of power and exploiting their positions to take advantage of those
> >> who admired them or felt safe with. While the many people who have
> >> been hurt by Jake, either physically, sexually, emotionally, or
> >> professionally are ignored or even attacked by starry-eyed fans who
> >> believe their heroes can do no wrong. The statue of ioerror was
> >> being built through the myth of heroism in the face of tyranny and
> >> what better place to provide more building material than the Tor
> >> Project.
> >>
> >> It hasn?t been forty years for the Tor Project, and I?m glad that
> >> under new management this issue was addressed and brought to light.
> >> While personally knowing a handful of people he has stolen research
> >> from or tried to squeeze his way into their research groups, I knew
> >> his m.o. and warned anyone that even brought him up. For years. I
> >> had no idea of the sexual abuse claims, but in retrospect it makes
> >> complete sense. Some people remained silent, while others spoke out
> >> and were quickly silenced by the "PROVE IT" brigade. For some
> >> people it's not that easy. Proving it isn't the hard part, but
> >> reliving the pain, shame, and loss is.
> >>
> >> However terrible the alleged atrocities committed by Appelbaum, if
> >> they ever all come to light, there will still be a large contingent
> >> of naysayers, forever trying to pick up their fallen idol to some
> >> sort of irredeemable glory. There is no government agenda to
> >> discredit him, this isn?t JTRIG or the NSA running a disinformation
> >> operation against him, this is simply just a very bad person.
> >>
> >> The conspiracy of silence is unravelling around Jake and luckily,
> >> it hasn?t been forty years.
> >>
>
> Well it's possible to move on to other topics. It doesn't change the
> fact that this COULD harm the tor project's reputation. That's one of my
> primary concerns. Even if it is unlikely it's still important.
>
>
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>
> Message: 2
> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 16:17:17 -0600
> From: Mirimir <mirimir at riseup.net>
> To: tor-talk at lists.torproject.org
> Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Any updates from Tor Project on ioerror?
> Message-ID: <5754A4ED.4000906 at riseup.net>
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> On 06/05/2016 03:52 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
> > On Jun 5, 2016 5:37 PM, "jacob appelbaum (ioerror) questions" <
> > jacobappelbaum.net at yandex.com> wrote:
> >
> >>> The conspiracy of silence is unravelling around Jake and luckily, it
> > hasn?t been forty years.
> >
> > My dear,
> >
> > Sorry, I can't believe in someone who is using Jake's own name for
> posting
> > anonimously articles offending him, his reputation and his work.
>
> I totally agree. "jacobappelbaum.net at yandex.com" is being a jerk. Their
> behavior suggests that Jacob is just the target of a witch-hunt.
>
> > You want to humiliate him.  It is being a public lynching, real moral
> > harassment.
>
> Indeed. I'm wondering whether this is one of the Tor haters, leveraging
> the situation to amplify the grief. Maybe even playing some Tor devs.
>
> > Sorry, you are not being a victim.  Now, in this exact moment, you are
> > acting just exactly like the people you said that were wrong and it is
> > really disgusting.
> >
> > **  Transparency and coherence, please.  **
> >
> > I am an old grumpy lady with a pretty strong flu and an even more
> terrible
> > English, really trying to read everything you post here.  I think I
> deserve
> > a bit more of logic and respect, please.  This thing you are doing is
> > really offensive not just for Jake, but for my poor neurons too!  :((((
>
> It's cool to encounter another sane adult :)
>
> > Cecilia
> >
>
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 18:22:47 -0400
> From: notfriendly at riseup.net
> To: tor-talk at lists.torproject.org
> Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Any updates from Tor Project on ioerror?
> Message-ID: <a5960ac2456a2c6eacf92b4b6c9cfcf9 at riseup.net>
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> On 2016-06-05 18:17, Mirimir wrote:
> > On 06/05/2016 03:52 PM, Cecilia Tanaka wrote:
> >> On Jun 5, 2016 5:37 PM, "jacob appelbaum (ioerror) questions" <
> >> jacobappelbaum.net at yandex.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>> The conspiracy of silence is unravelling around Jake and luckily, it
> >> hasn?t been forty years.
> >>
> >> My dear,
> >>
> >> Sorry, I can't believe in someone who is using Jake's own name for
> >> posting
> >> anonimously articles offending him, his reputation and his work.
> >
> > I totally agree. "jacobappelbaum.net at yandex.com" is being a jerk. Their
> > behavior suggests that Jacob is just the target of a witch-hunt.
> >
> >> You want to humiliate him.  It is being a public lynching, real moral
> >> harassment.
> >
> > Indeed. I'm wondering whether this is one of the Tor haters, leveraging
> > the situation to amplify the grief. Maybe even playing some Tor devs.
> >
> >> Sorry, you are not being a victim.  Now, in this exact moment, you are
> >> acting just exactly like the people you said that were wrong and it is
> >> really disgusting.
> >>
> >> **  Transparency and coherence, please.  **
> >>
> >> I am an old grumpy lady with a pretty strong flu and an even more
> >> terrible
> >> English, really trying to read everything you post here.  I think I
> >> deserve
> >> a bit more of logic and respect, please.  This thing you are doing is
> >> really offensive not just for Jake, but for my poor neurons too!
> >> :((((
> >
> > It's cool to encounter another sane adult :)
> >
> >> Cecilia
> >>
> I also agree with this. At the very least the poster could of used his
> real name and not used anonymity to harm someone's reputation. I'm not
> saying the person doesn't have the right to privacy. At least an alias
> or a pseudonym but using the guys name was just wrong. We have to
> remember that there are two sides to every story but we also need to
> make sure that we make every effort to prove each side and then come to
> an agreed upon conclusion.
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 17:17:10 -0500
> From: Anthony Papillion <anthony at cajuntechie.org>
> To: tor-talk at lists.torproject.org
> Subject: [tor-talk] Has anyone HEARD from IOError since his last
>         tweet?
> Message-ID: <51c9eb8d-bcfc-cce0-02b8-18c4c544a7de at cajuntechie.org>
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> The last time IOError tweeted was on 30 May. Has anyone on this list
> actually HEARD from him since then? We have to remember that Jake
> comes from a really fucked up childhood. Something like these
> allegations could push someone over the edge.
>
> Anthony
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sun, 5 Jun 2016 14:35:35 -0800
> From: I <beatthebastards at inbox.com>
> To: tor-talk at lists.torproject.org
> Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Any updates on hardening a Debian VPS?
> Message-ID: <D4EA7C86C91.0000033Fbeatthebastards at inbox.com>
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> What are the current best things to do to a Debian VPS to stop being
> puppeted by clever dicks?
>
> Robert
>
>
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 18:40:44 -0400
> From: notfriendly at riseup.net
> To: tor-talk at lists.torproject.org
> Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Any updates on hardening a Debian VPS?
> Message-ID: <031551b67faca7cfbb1b5c2c3d3468f3 at riseup.net>
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> On 2016-06-05 18:35, I wrote:
> > What are the current best things to do to a Debian VPS to stop being
> > puppeted by clever dicks?
> >
> > Robert
>
> I have a few suggestions:
>
> * Use SSH Key Based Authnication only (no password based login)
> * Update your software frequently
> * Enable IPTables and only allow ports that you utilize, if you have a
> static ip address only allow connections to ssh from that ip address
> * Enable Tripwire to detect changes to system files
>
> Good luck with securing your VPS
>
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2016 18:43:42 -0400
> From: notfriendly at riseup.net
> To: tor-talk at lists.torproject.org
> Subject: Re: [tor-talk] Has anyone HEARD from IOError since his last
>         tweet?
> Message-ID: <dc9f4b61575bb70ece1a2b94449910c8 at riseup.net>
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> On 2016-06-05 18:17, Anthony Papillion wrote:
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> > The last time IOError tweeted was on 30 May. Has anyone on this list
> > actually HEARD from him since then? We have to remember that Jake
> > comes from a really fucked up childhood. Something like these
> > allegations could push someone over the edge.
> >
> > Anthony
> >
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> He might need time to himself for now. He has a lot of people talking
> about him right now. He probably needs a break.
>
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