[tor-talk] Tor

Tue Oct 20 02:03:19 UTC 2015

Actually, you’re totally wrong.  According to a top secret NSA document, which you can view online:
Tor is the king of high secure, low latency anonymity.  No contender awaits the throne.
That would clearly indicate that you know absolutely nothing about Tor, Onion routing, or anonymity in general.  Hell, you probably don’t even know how to use the Internet since you’re just a little five year old having your stupid ass friend type your emails for you.  We Do Not want you in our community.  Fuck Off!

> On Oct 19, 2015, at 7:23 PM, Juan <juan.g71 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 19 Oct 2015 22:22:06 +0000
> Cubed <chasintail at emailcontrol.org> wrote:
> 
>> On Sun, 18 Oct 2015 07:16:47 -0700
>> amuse <tor-amuse at foofus.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> Also please create tor-toughtalk@ so people have a place to go be
>>> needlessly abusive and not have to justify their abuse with facts.
>>> Thx.
>> 
>> LOL, I love that idea! 
>> 
>> Sorry everybody, I should know better to feed the pidgeons. FWIW
>> though, this one made me chuckle. Audible, real-life, endorphine
>> releasing chuckle.  =D
> 
> 	
> 	lol - so you think you are 'feeding the pidgeons'? And what
> 	kind of animal are *you*? Maybe a slug? 
> 
> 
>> 
>> In the spirit of the original question/complaint/troll, and to
>> reiterate my points (which I felt were made rather gentlemanly, if I
>> do say so myself), you can call Tor a lot of things, but a scam is
>> simply not true.
> 
> 	
> 	"Protect your privacy. Defend yourself against network
> surveillance and traffic analysis." 
> 
> 	Using tor? LOL. What's the latest feature? "don't maximize the
> 	browser window if you don't want to be tracked". 
> 
> 
> 	"Tor prevents people from learning your location or browsing
> 	habits." <---- another lie.
> 
> 	Of course, since tor is promoted by scammers, they use scamming
> 	language. Prevent 'people' from learning your location? What
> 	people, exactly? Your retarded aunt? Somebody selling hotdogs
> 	on the corner? Or the totalitarian government that FUNDS
> 	tor? 
> 
> 	So here's the meat : 
> 
> 	tor is a project funded by the US military. And of course, it
> 	doesn't protect joe sixpack from the US military and
> 	government. 
> 
> 	tor works to advance  the interests of the US military by
> 	allowing THEM to 'browse the web' anonymously using tor users
> 	as cover. Tor would be useless for the pentangon nazis if they
> 	were the only people using the network. So they need human
> 	cattle to use as cover.
> 
> 	tor works because the US military can monitor a substantial
> 	part of the internet and so 'deanonymize' tor users, whereas the
> 	'enemies' of the US government can't do that. Not to mention
> 	the amount of 'fast' tor nodes isnt' exactly big. 
> 
> 
> 	the US military has no problem with providing the 'masses' with
> 	a fake anonimity network that only works against modest
> 	'adversaries'. Rather, there are good reasons for the US
> 	military to provide such a fake 'service' including propaganda
> 	(US cunts pretending to defend 'humand rights'), the
> 	ability to gather 'interesting' people in one place, etc.
> 
> 
> 
>> Scam is, by definition, not a accurate assessment of
>> the Tor project, onion routing, and generally anything produced by
>> the talented folks who DONATE their time to the project.
> 
> 	'donate' their time in exchange from millions of
> 	stolen dollars from the pentagon.
> 
> 
> 	Anyway, if you want to know what tor really is, do your own
> 	homework. I've been kind enough to point you in the right
> 	direction. Assuming you are not yet another tor-bot, which more
> 	than likely you are. 
> 
> 	
> 
> 	
>> 
>> So by extension and assumption, I feel comfortable with my overall
>> comprehension of your (again, directed to the OP) messages. I call
>> your concise and meaningful and raise you logic. And, I'm all in! 
>> 
>> As for taking you for an idiot, of course not. I stopped interacting
>> with uninteresting people years ago... well anyways, I'm in it for the
>> meat, if there is any. Plus, you made me chuckle. 
>> 
>> Facing inadequecies in projects head on with open minds is one of the
>> many reasons open source software and the communities behind them are
>> so important. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> 
>>> On 10/18/15 1:05 AM, Virgil Griffith wrote:
>>>> I re-iterate a request for the tor-opentalk@ list.
>>>> 
>>>> -V
>>>> 
>>>> On Sun, Oct 18, 2015 at 2:58 PM Josef Stautner <hello at veloc1ty.de>
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hello Juan,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I can't understand why you subscribe to a list of "scammers"
>>>>> then. You escalated very quickly and showed a rude attitude most
>>>>> people can't stand and normally silently ignore and laugh about.
>>>>> And I think that's why nobody answered your mails.
>>>>> 
>>>>> But I'm interested in you opinion why you think Tor is "scam" to
>>>>> you. For me Tor itself is really helpfull to escape censorship.
>>>>> And because it's free and easy to use script kiddies use the
>>>>> network to brute force WordPress logins and other nasty stuff. Of
>>>>> course that's stupid but something like that can easily be fixed
>>>>> by setting up proper security settings.
>>>>> And then there are cases like encrypting you computer and force
>>>>> you to pay bitcoins to a hidden service etc. But just because
>>>>> they use Tor for that doesn't mean that the whole network ist
>>>>> just for scam and malicious activity.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If you are able to discuss on a polite level we can also discuss
>>>>> about your opinion.
>>>>> 
>>>>> ~Josef
>>>>> 
>> 
> 
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