[tor-talk] Accessing Cloudflare sites on TBB

[Spencer]

Hi,

> 
> Malte:
> I don't know other people's browsing behaviour, but for me being able 
> to
> read the cached content would have sufficed in 100% of cases.
> 

Yes.  Text and image cache for me.  Google makes it hard to get their 
cache content, it would be great if the other middleman made it easy :)

>> 
>> Spencer:
>> They suck (time and energy).  They seem to only come in robot
>> discrimination form.
>> 
> 
> sh-expires-12-2015 at quantentunnel.de:
> This will never be solved, since tors main property is to hide
> the origin of requests, it provides more benefits to an possible
> adversary from the view/perspective of a site operator or cloudflare.
> 

True, if this read: "This will never be solved by patching Tor", as it 
is the discriminators who must stop discriminating that will really 
change things.

> 
> So regular users are forced to deliver human interaction proof,
> or stop using tor. Another option is using alternative sites.
> 

"Regular" users, as a concept, might be part of the problem.  "Regular" 
users are what drive the existence of the very service providers that 
seek such protection; they should not receive hierarchical priority over 
those they *serve*.

However, support for a more horizontal structure would be appropriate.

> 
> With ~1000 exits it is possible to issue malicious requests from
> all exits within 15-30 minutes with no effort at all.
> 

What is malicious?  Searching for 'A Pup Named Scooby-Doo' gets blocked 
the same as potential phishing when the approach is a badlist.

Wordlife,
Spencer