[tor-talk] Don't use sectoor

[obx]

Sectoor is no ISP. They run a DNSBL. Sorry if my message has been
unclear.

The problem is, that the /24 of the ISP hosting my tor-exit has been
banned as tor-exit, regardless that I'm the only tor-exit on that
network. This is disrupting IRC and mail traffic. I assume this might
have happened to quite a few /24's out there.

*If* sectoor would be an ISP I wouldn't complain. But disrupting the
service of innocent neighbors that just happen to have a similar IP
address is irresponsible.

On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 10:03:19PM +0100, Thomas White wrote:
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> Note: I have excluded sectoor.de from this message
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> Public shaming of companies does work, there is a good/bad ISP list
> below which can always be subtlely mentioned when communicating with ISPs:
> 
> https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/wiki/doc/GoodBadISPs
> 
> However, I think it is a step in the wrong direction to start publicly
> bring a support email into the public domain without discussing it
> privately first. In addition, you didn't link this "public
> information" part in your email to them. The problem of ISPs usually
> is not that they don't like Tor, but most of the time they simply
> don't understand it and approaching like this is not going to change
> that. Instead, if this were me (and I have dealt with many, many
> companies in the past) I would approach asking if they would consider
> allowing Tor on the basis you could perhaps reach an agreement over
> handling abuse issues for example. If that didn't work, even asking if
> they would accept non-exits instead is at least a step in the right
> direction.
> 
> If they don't move from their position, then it is always open to ask
> tor-talk for assistance in convincing them or perhaps ask for advice
> on what arguments you can use in persuading them. I have even offered
> in the past (and this offer remains open btw) to assist in talking to
> ISPs to change their policy. Some methods work, some don't, but
> turning this into a you vs us scenario with an ISP won't work because
> ultimately they don't give a shit about one customer unless that one
> customer is bringing large amounts of revenue.
> 
> Regards,
> - -T
> 
> On 16/09/2014 21:55, obx wrote:
> > Dear tor-talk, Dear sectoor,
> > 
> > I'm running a tor-exit at a small provider. Another customer at the
> > same provider complained they got blacklisted by sectoor for
> > operating a tor-exit. This customer doesn't run a tor server and
> > didn't run a tor server in the past.
> > 
> > Hence, they got blacklisted as tor-exit.
> > 
> > I did some lookups and it looks like you banned the whole class C.
> > 
> > Why?
> > 
> > There's no need to "guess" since the list of tor exits is public 
> > information.
> > 
> > Please understand that is level of irresponsible management on
> > your site, sectoor, can destroy the reputation of smaller
> > providers.
> > 
> > I expect you fix this instantly.
> > 
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