[tor-talk] William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if you can.

[Eugen Leitl]

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From: Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com>
Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2012 19:22:48 -0800
To: Tom Beecher <tbeecher at localnet.com>
Cc: NANOG <nanog at nanog.org>
Subject: Re: William was raided for running a Tor exit node. Please help if
	you can.
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Yes, but if you are operating a TOR node, it's not entirely clear to me that you are not actually an ISP (whether you
realize that or not).

You are, after all, providing a form of internet access to non-paying customers.

Owen

On Nov 29, 2012, at 11:58 , Tom Beecher <tbeecher at localnet.com> wrote:

> Not really comparable.
> 
> Speaking from a US point of view, ISPs has strong legal protections isolating them from culpability for the actions of their customers. I know internationally things are different, but here in the US the ISP doesn't get dinged, except in certain cases where they are legally required to remove access to material and don't.
> 
> End users have no such protections that I'm aware of that cover them similarly.
> 
> On 11/29/2012 2:50 PM, George Herbert wrote:
>> On Thu, Nov 29, 2012 at 11:18 AM, Tom Beecher <tbeecher at localnet.com> wrote:
>>> Assuming it's true, it was bound to happen. Running anything , TOR or
>>> otherwise, that allows strangers to do whatever they want is just folly.
>> Such as, say, an Internet Service Provider business?
>> 
>> ...
>> 
> 


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