[tor-talk] Tor: lobbies vs lobbies - Who will prevail?

[|| ΣΖΟ ||]

Well,

Politicians are corrupt, what are they doing against THEIR corruption?  NOTHING.

So don't expect politicians to do anything that is right for you, they
do first what is convenient for them and if thats unfortunate for you
then that's your problem.

What do politicians want?

They want to track every thing that you do good or bad. No respect,
what so ever..
They want to be in a position to rule over you.
They also want to be in a position to make you pay TAX

all these things are kinda stupid in the online situation, though what
do politicians know about technology?

NOTHING, they are 5 - 10 years behind. The only thing they are good at
is messing up their text editor. And spill coffee on the keyboard. Yes
they waste lots of our tax money....  And whaen we need them then ...
they are 'busy' and make you wait and waste your time as well !

Let's see

Are there any Pro-Politic Anti-Politic lobbies ?

In other words, there is no pro or anti tor issue,   there are ONLY
privacy and freedom issues. And Tor solves some of them (not all) Only
because the governments around the world FAIL to give us FREEDOM and
PRIVACY.

Still i do hear what you are saying, though the real issue is not tor,
it is politics.


Tor developers (i'm not one of them, i'm merely an occasional TOR
user) should not have to any politics, they are not politicians,
programming is what they are good at.

If politicians don't WANT to understand technology and Internet then
they should not rule over it.

BASTA.


Please correct me if i'm wrong, though don't expect a political debate
about it. I'm a human, not a politician.






On Thu, Aug 9, 2012 at 12:40 AM, adrelanos <adrelanos at riseup.net> wrote:
> There are various lobbies.
> - Some "Pro-Tor" (also pro privacy, pro any anonymity network).
> - Some "Anti-Tor".
>
> "Pro-Tor" lobbies:
> - journalists
> - https://www.torproject.org/about/torusers.html.en
> - Perhaps mostly notable: Tor was originally designed, implemented, and
> deployed as a third-generation onion routing project of the ***Naval
> Research Laboratory***. It was originally developed with the ***U.S.
> Navy*** in mind, for the primary purpose of protecting government
> communications. [1]
>
> Strong "Anti-Tor" lobbies and arguments:
> - anti cp
> If they Use-Tor-right, especially the only-downloaders, the they can
> never get caught. Unsatisfactory.
> - anti drugs [2]
> Silkroad runs and runs and runs for a loooong time. Unsatisfactory.
> - copyright infringements
> If they Use-Tor-right, especially the only-downloaders, the can download
> and download and download and never get caught. DMCA for the exit node
> and again and again. "We can do nothing." in response. Unsatisfactory.
>
> Solution for anti-Tor lobbies? Propose anti-Tor, anti-anon proxy law.
> (Forbidden to develop, forbid to provide download, forbid to download,
> forbid to use, forbidde to host servers, etc.) Could happen in any
> "free" country, including US. Then send lots of donations to politicians
> and beg for it, send even more donations. The typical lobbying.
>
> So who has more power in this fight? I think the anti-Tor lobbies are
> not to be underestimated and I seriously fear that Tor is going to loose
> the battle within the next years. The political climate with laws like
> ACTA, PIPA etc. makes that plausible for me. Glad if you can prove me wrong.
>
> [1] https://www.torproject.org/about/torusers.html.en
> [2]
> http://gawker.com/5932924/booming-silk-road-drug-market-boasts-22-million-per-year-in-sales-fancy-redesign
> _______________________________________________
> tor-talk mailing list
> tor-talk at lists.torproject.org
> https://lists.torproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tor-talk