relay tidbits...

[Scott Bennett]

     On Mon, 2 Jun 2008 16:20:09 -0700 (PDT) Curious Kid
<letsshareinformation at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: luser <luser456 at googlemail.com>
>> To: or-talk at freehaven.net
>> Sent: Monday, June 2, 2008 3:12:16 AM
>> Subject: Re: relay tidbits...
>> 
>> If I believe that the majority of POP3 traffic over tor is performed by
>> unauthorised parties,
>> ----- End Original Message ----
>> 
>> 
>> Do you, in fact, believe this? If so, why?
>> 
>> In addition to actively outing accounts that you believe have a good 
>> chance of being used in an unauthorized fashion, you also flag accounts 
>> that are being used in accordance with the server operator's policies. 
>> That by itself convinces me that leaking user data does harm.
>
>is publishing the mail server IP address and username 'outing' user data?
>would just the mail server IP address be better?
>
>> 
>> I would very much like to know if there are other reasons for doing this 
>> that you have yet to let on. Is there an underlying purpose or 
>> overarching concern you have other than simply making the proposal of a 
>> moral obligation to help others?
>
>i just believe ,at least i think I do - running the relay was a chance 
>for me to determine the morality for myself, that to participate in a 
>system such as tor, whose purpose is so specific, and not to think and 
>raise questions about what maintaining a relay means and the 
>possibilities for helping the victims of these potential abuses, seem at 
>the moment to not be fulfilling a basic obligation to your fellow man.

     Why do you think that helping to preserve a basic human right, such
as privacy, which is violated by most governments on the planet, not to
mention other criminal entities, is potentially "immoral"?  Just who the
hell do you think you are anyway?
>
>of course not all tor traffic is miscreant in nature and I recognise 
>strongly the need for freedom of speech.
>
     It surely does *not* sound like you give much thought to other
people's rights at all.  Maybe "Curious Kid", rather than "Thoughtful,
Responsible Adult" is a totally appropriate moniker.


                                  Scott Bennett, Comm. ASMELG, CFIAG
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