[tor-relays] Unwarranted discrimination of relays with dynamic IP

Sun Dec 4 21:48:27 UTC 2016

(Please post under others' answers, it makes the discussion
read more clearly.)

> On 5 Dec. 2016, at 08:43, Rana <ranaventures at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> OK thanks, this is beginning to sound logical. What you are saying - correct me if I am wrong - is that since 3 DirAuths gave me fast/hsdir flags while the other 5 didn't and gave me poor weight, you believe that my connectivity with the 5 auths is poor and this is the source of my trouble. 
> 
> If you are right then there is no problem with my relay, no problem with my ISP, and there is a problem somewhere between the countries, and this problem hits specifically my relay. This last piece does not make sense to me but who knows…

Relays in your country might be rare.

And it's entirely possible your relay has an issue.
Or your broadband router or provider.

I'll repeat myself:

Speed tests don't test the things tor needs.

The 5 tor bandwidth authorities say your relay can't handle much
bandwidth. They say it can sustain around 14KB/s when they check.

This might mean your Pi or your broadband router is overwhelmed with too
many connections. Do you know what the maximum connection capacity is
on your router and your relay?
Can you increase it to at least 8000?

Or it could be that your latency to Europe and North America is high.
(Relays in Asia, Australia, and New Zealand have similar issues.)

Tim

> -----Original Message-----
> From: tor-relays [mailto:tor-relays-bounces at lists.torproject.org] On Behalf Of teor
> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 11:34 PM
> To: tor-relays at lists.torproject.org
> Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Unwarranted discrimination of relays with dynamic IP
> 
> 
>> On 5 Dec. 2016, at 08:11, Rana <ranaventures at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 5kbit/s traffic and consensus weight of 14 after running for a month, including last 9 days with the same IP and a Stable flag - you consider this normal?
> 
> No, sorry, I explained poorly:
> 
> Your maximum bandwidth is as expected for a middle relay with a similar config. The relay flags are as expected.
> 
> Your measured bandwidth is not, and indicates an issue with your relay's connectivity to the bandwidth authorities (5 tor clients/relays spread around Europe and North America).
> 
> Until you fix this issue, your relay will continue to be measured low, because it can not sustain the traffic the tor network needs.
> 
> It has nothing to do with your IP address changing.
> 
> Also, it's probably worth mentioning that the Tor network prioritises
> *client* bandwidth, latency, and security. There are engineering trade-offs between these factors.
> 
> Using all available relay bandwidth is not a priority: we will happily use less bandwidth to provide better latency or better security.
> 
> Tim
> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: tor-relays [mailto:tor-relays-bounces at lists.torproject.org] On 
>> Behalf Of teor
>> Sent: Sunday, December 04, 2016 10:52 PM
>> To: tor-relays at lists.torproject.org
>> Subject: Re: [tor-relays] Unwarranted discrimination of relays with 
>> dynamic IP
>> 
>> 
>>> On 5 Dec. 2016, at 02:39, Rana <ranaventures at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> For as little as $10.00 US there are VPS' with static ip's..
>>> 
>>> Attn: Kurt Besig
>>> 
>>> Well I kind o' like my Raspberry Pi that cost me $40 including box and power supply and SD card and door to door delivery, with far more horsepower and memory than needed for running Tor relay, and my free and absolutely stable 1.5mbps that I want to donate to Tor courtesy of my ISP, and my transparent Tor proxy and my hidden service  and my wireless access point that lurk on the same Pi. 
>>> 
>>> This is not a good reason to punish my relay. Makes ZERO sense to me and to who knows how many people like me whose relays are flushed down the drain by the current DirAuth algorithms.
>>> 
>>> I can think of many an Iranian or Turkish or Chinese or Russian dissident who could use 1.5 mbps bandwidth to communicate with the free world.
>> 
>> Rana,
>> 
>> Your relay is actually getting about as much traffic as a middle relay of that size should expect.
>> 
>> When you change the IP address, it takes a while to re-establish that traffic, as it should, due to the reasons I mentioned in my original email.
>> 
>> T
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