[tor-project] Onion sites vs onion services vs hidden services

[Virgil Griffith]

We could kill two birds with one stone by calling prop 224 and beyond as
"onion services", while everything prior retains the original hidden
services nomenclature.  This can reduce confusion with old documentation,
etc.

-V

On Friday, 6 May 2016, David Goulet <dgoulet at ev0ke.net> wrote:

> On 05 May (10:28:06), Damian Johnson wrote:
> > Personally I don't care what we call them, but I *do* care about
> > consistency. Stem continues to call them Hidden Services because
> > nobody has offered to take ownership of renaming all the things. For
> > instance the tor, spec, and website codebases still heavily use the
> > old name...
> >
> > torspec$ grep -i 'hidden service' ./* | wc -l
> > 105
> >
> > webwml$ grep -iR 'hidden service' ./* | wc -l
> > 369
> >
> > tor$ grep -iR 'hidden service' ./* | wc -l
> > 1054
> >
> > ... and this doesn't count the dozens of other codebases we have,
> > aliasing torrc parameters, aliasing controller methods/events, etc.
> > Personally I really like Sebastian's idea - hidden services are the
> > name of the old thing, and onion services are the new thing. This
> > avoids a lot of headaches.
> >
> > That said, renaming is certainly doable. It'll just take someone
> > interested in investing days to hunt down all the old things and make
> > pull requests. The one course of action I *do* object to is saying
> > "we've renamed these to Onion Services" without actually changing all
> > the things. That's just confusing for our users.
>
> I have to agree here. A very important place imo that we need to change is
> the
> "torrc" configuration file of tor where a hidden service is actually
> configured by an operator. Someone new wanting to setup a "Onion service"
> will
> get all sorts of confused when the documentation and options do not exists
> :).
>
> We opened that ticket some months ago and you can see by yourself the first
> comment that popped in few minutes after :)
>
> https://trac.torproject.org/projects/tor/ticket/17343
>
> Anyway, I'm fine renaming them which is also a good time for us to take a
> decision on that because the next generation hidden service (proposal 224),
> the prefix "hs_" is being used everywhere in the code to identify the
> hidden
> service subsytem thus we could settle and use something that is more
> towards
> onion service instead.
>
> Cheers!
> David
>
> >
> > Cheers! -Damian
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