[tor-project] Tor Dev Meeting in Jena/Germany?

Tue Jan 12 20:23:17 UTC 2016

Southeast Asia meetings have been proposed before.  There are many
desirable candidates from: Bali, Manila, or Bangkok.  All three locations
have fiber internet as well as an international airport.

If I personally were to suggest a place, I'd suggest Bali.  I think it'd be
a more interesting location for our attendees while also being very english
/ western-food friendly.  Examples of pleasantness:

Popular co-working spots
* http://www.dojobali.org/
* http://www.lineuphub.co/
* http://www.hubud.org/

Possible accommodations:
* https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/1878334
* https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/635034
* https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/71595
* https://www.airbnb.com/rooms/3776115

With the nearby Monkey forest and Komodo dragon park
* https://www.facebook.com/virgil.gr/posts/10106605284264249
* http://www.balifornian.com/gallery/our-image-gallery/6587305

-V

On Tue, Jan 12, 2016 at 1:29 AM Paul Syverson <paul.syverson at nrl.navy.mil>
wrote:

> I feel this dismissal is a bit quick: a local airport should not be a
> sine qua non.  Definitely an important factor, but not enough to
> dismiss locations out of hand.
>
> As an example, for the last tor-dev in Valencia, I and the other NRL
> folk originally were going to fly into Valencia, but then we realized
> it was cheaper, easier, and just about as quick for us to fly into
> Madrid and take a train. Definitely not more complex than some of the
> purely airport navigations I've had to manage in places where I was
> confused and jetlagged, and generally more fault-tolerant for missing
> a connection or wandering confusedly to the wrong part of the
> facility.
>
> This involved mass transit to downtown Madrid, but was generally
> pretty straightforward.  Taking a taxi would make it even easier.
> We're doing the same thing again this year. Looking at the
> who-could-doubt maps.google.com shows a train w/ one change straight
> from the Frankfurt airport to Jena that is comparable in length to our
> ride between Madrid and Valencia. So (handwave) it should be about
> as easy.
>
> Which travel/meeting factors matter most will vary widely across this
> diverse group like everything else. (Going outside the US is at least
> double the paperwork, approvals, headaches, and way more than double the
> needed lead time of domestic U.S. travel for the NRL folk.  Others
> have much more extreme limitations on their travel.) It's all
> tradeoffs.  But Europe (+ Iceland) is possibly the only current
> place that will not majorly increase the travel-restriction, internet,
> monetary, travel-convenience-compromise, etc. overhead for a general
> tor-dev meeting as Isis has already set out nicely.
>
> We could limit to a half-dozen major European cities w/ direct flights
> from North America and Asia, but I think adding a short hop by train
> should not automatically override other factors.
>
> We've already talked about having team (in the Vegas-plan sense)
> meetings in various places rather than general meetings as Tor has
> grown. But within teams we still have the same sorts of issues Isis
> noted, and more.  A good topic for discussing in Valencia amongst the
> evergrowing herd of cats might be having one annual meeting probably
> in Europe, and then another in the U.S., maybe one in Australia or
> Asia if number of people could justify. Now if we could just get new
> Oculus Rift gear to everyone with the Gunner Avatar installed, that
> could definitely work for those who can't be there.
>
> aloha,
> Paul
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2016 at 06:45:26AM -0800, Shari Steele wrote:
> > Hey Jens.
> > I think the lack of airport makes this a nonstarter as a location for a
> Tor Developer Meeting site.  There are simply too many people coming from
> too many far away places.  Thanks for offering it, though.  It looks like a
> beautiful area.
> > Shari
> >
> >
> > On Jan 11, 2016, at 2:50 AM, Yawning Angel <yawning at schwanenlied.me>
> wrote:
> >
> > > On Mon, 11 Jan 2016 11:03:32 +0100
> > > Jens Kubieziel <maillist at kubieziel.de> wrote:
> > >> How to get here?
> > >> Jena has no airport. The next airports are in Erfurt and Leipzig.
> > >> However Berlin, Frankfurt/M. and Munich are a trainride (2-3 hours)
> > >> away. Also several bus companies stop here (BerlinLinienBus,
> > >> MeinFernbus etc.).
> > >> So from my impression it is easy to get here, YMMV.
> > >
> > > If I'm the only one that thinks travel would be excessive, then please
> > > don't let me be the person that keeps this from moving forward (esp
> > > since I will be moving internationally again RSN).
> > >
> > > That said, going from East-Asia to Jena would comfortably exceed 30 h
> of
> > > total travel time, and I don't see myself being in any condition to
> > > navigate a train system to get to a hotel.
> > >
> > >> What do you think? Should we move this idea forward?
> > >
> > > But, like I said, I'm indifferent since I'm moving.  Though West Coast
> > > US is on the candidate lists for some inexplicable reason, so travel
> > > from there is likely to be fairly painful to most of Europe...
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > --
> > > Yawning Angel
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