[tor-dev] Agnostic Tools: Code Dev and Support For

[Beastr0]

Some interesting points, guys, thank you for sending them. Perhaps I will change my opinion one day and if I do I'm sure some of your thoughts on the subject will contribute to that.
Best,

- Bstro

p.s. I'm well aware that Proton Mail has .onion sites. I have nothing against them for having .onion websites. The same way I'm not against Qubes or even Tor for having .onion sites. As to why I use it... I'm not sure to be honest. I study and work in the security field so I guess like most of us I'm just paranoid.

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> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: Re: [tor-dev] Agnostic Tools: Code Dev and Support For
> Local Time: January 11, 2018 8:00 PM
> UTC Time: January 11, 2018 8:00 PM
> From: nullius at nym.zone
> To: tor-dev at lists.torproject.org
>
> On 2018-01-10 11:22:22 at +0000, Beastr0 beastr0 at protonmail.com wrote:
>
>> I don't really care what I work on, except I do not support .onion
>> websites (though I am willing to be convinced otherwise) so I would
>> prefer not to participate directly in their development.
>> [...]
>> Sent with [ProtonMail](https://protonmail.com) Secure Email.
>
> On 2018-01-11 18:36:21 at +0000, grarpamp grarpamp at gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Philosophical...
>> Why does someone want to support and develop for Tor, or any other
>> overlay p2p anonymity network, or crypto, for that matter? When even a
>> fix to the manpage could be read and used by onion users and operators,
>> same for metrics, lists, or any other part of the ecosystem. Does one
>> fear "bad" things, association, or support "good" things?
>
> I immediately observed that “Beastr0” posted via a Protonmail address.
> Whereas Protonmail supports .onion, and has its own .onion:
>
> https://protonirockerxow.onion/
>
> https://protonmail.com/tor
>
> https://protonmail.com/blog/tor-encrypted-email/
>
> https://protonmail.com/blog/protonmail-tor-censorship/
>
> https://protonmail.com/support/knowledge-base/tor-setup/
>
> Why does an individual who does not support .onion use a service which
> promotes its own .onion?
>
>> Philosophical...
>
> Tor supports the right to read.
>
> Imagine that you were in the biggest library in the world—but a
> librarian (or security camera) watched over your shoulder to observe and
> record everything you read. You’d find that you self-censor your
> selections. You would avoid anything too controversial—even if it were
> something you wanted to read so that you could write an argument against
> it! You would only read things you guess were acceptable to those
> watching you. Adapt “Beastr0’s” statement, “I would prefer to not have
> my real name attached” (to this controversial book).
>
> That is the Web without Tor. Tor shields readers from the
> shoulder-surfing librarian, the eye-tracking security cameras which
> observe each word you read, the third-party analytics trackers and
> “social media” buttons...
>
> Tor also supports the right to write.
>
> The ability to read without being tracked must be matched by the ability
> to publish anonymously, or pseudonymously. The right of anonymous
> publication is the cornerstone of the freedom of speech. .onion
> protects that right.
>
> /*
>
> - .onion also has many additional uses; for but a few examples:
> -
>
> -
>
> - Taking load off exit nodes; e.g. if you run Debian, switch your
>
> - apt updates to download from the repositories listed at
> - https://onion.debian.org/ A/K/A http://5nca3wxl33tzlzj5.onion/ .
> - See also https://onion.torproject.org/
>
> - A/K/A http://yz7lpwfhhzcdyc5y.onion/ .
> -
>
> -
>
> - Enabling Bitcoin nodes to accept incoming connections without
>
> - exposing their IP addresses.
> -
>
> -
>
> - Enabling communications tools such as Ricochet.
>
> -
>
> -
>
> - [...add your own here...]
> */
>
>> Pens... write code.
>
> Code is speech. I observe that just as many fine .onion operators,
> “Beastr0” desires to exercise the right to publish free speech under a
> pseudonym:
>
> On 2018-01-10 00:38:47 at +0000, Beastr0 beastr0 at protonmail.com wrote:
>
>> For the time being I would prefer to not have my real name attached to
>> Tor so I hope you don't mind if I introduce myself as Beastro.
>> I love Tor and its mission.
>
> I hope that “Beastr0” will reconsider his/her/its pseudonymously
> expressed opposition to .onion.
>
> /*
>
> - Cf. my current .sig motto, a matter of conceptual juxtaposition in
> - popular propaganda as observed by yours truly. I am innocent.
> - Aren’t “bad guys” the ones who should be tapped, tracked, and
> - searched? How does anybody dare suggest that I should submit to
> - surveillance because I am innocent, i.e. “have nothing to hide”?
> -
>
> - “‘If you’re not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide.’
> -
>
> - “No! Because I do nothing wrong, I have nothing to show.”
> -
>
> -
>
> — nullius at nym.zone
>
> /
>
> #endif / !ON_TOPIC_FOR_DEV_LIST */
>
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> “‘If you’re not doing anything wrong, you have nothing to hide.’
> No! Because I do nothing wrong, I have nothing to show.” — nullius
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